I am updating this original response to a Whole Foods post/blog I posted quite some time ago and re-posting it. The update is merely an imported article that really hints at alien influences... however, I am of the school that civilization has ebbed and flowed, or, devolved and evolved in knowledge due to wars, famines, natural disasters, and the like. So this addition is a great example of this. For those wishing to see more of this, I recommend a book:
Here is the updated (imported) info about ancient maps and travel. Following the book selection from the imported article.
In 1929, a group of historians found an amazing map drawn on a gazelle skin.
Research showed that it was a genuine document drawn in 1513 by Piri Reis, a famous admiral of the Turkish fleet in the sixteenth century.
His passion was cartography. His high rank within the Turkish navy allowed him to have a privileged access to the Imperial Library of Constantinople.
The Turkish admiral admits in a series of notes on the map that he compiled and copied the data from a large number of source maps, some of which dated back to
the fourth century BC or earlier.THE CONTROVERSY
The Piri Reis map shows the western coast of Africa, the eastern coast of South America, and the northern coast of Antarctica. The northern coastline of Antarctica is perfectly detailed. The most puzzling however is not so much how Piri Reis managed to draw such an accurate map of the Antarctic region 300 years before it was discovered, but that the map shows the coastline under the ice. Geological evidence confirms that the latest date Queen Maud Land could have been charted in an ice-free state is 4000 BC.
The official science has been saying all along that the ice-cap which covers the Antarctic is million years old.
The Piri Reis map shows that the northern part of that continent has been mapped before the ice did cover it. That should make think it has been mapped million years ago, but that's impossible since mankind did not exist at that time.Further and more accurate studies have proven that the last period of ice-free condition in the Antarctic ended about 6000 years ago. There are still doubts about the beginning of this ice-free period, which has been put by different researchers everything between year 13000 and 9000 BC.
The question is: Who mapped the Queen Maud Land of Antarctic 6000 years ago? Which unknown civilization had the technology or the need to do that?
It is well-known that the first civilization, according to the traditional history, developed in the mid-east around year 3000 BC, soon to be followed within a millennium by the Indus valley and the Chinese ones. So, accordingly, none of the known civilizations could have done such a job. Who was here 4000 years BC, being able to do things that NOW are possible with the modern technologies?
All through the Middle Ages were circulating a number of sailing charts called "portolani", which were accurate maps of the most common sailing routes, showing coastlines, harbors, straits, bays, etc. Most of those portolani focused on the Mediterranean and the Aegean seas, and other known routes, just as the sailing book which Piri Reis himself had written.
But a few reported of still unknown lands, and were circulating among few sailors who seemingly kept their knowledge about those special maps as hidden as they could. Columbus is supposed to have been one of those who knew these special sailing charts.
To draw his map, Piri Reis used several different sources, collected here and there along his journeys. He himself has written notes on the map that give us a picture of the work he had been doing on the map. He says he had been not responsible for the original surveying and cartography. His role was merely that of a compiler who used a large number of source-maps. He says then that some of the source-maps had been drawn by contemporary sailors, while others were instead charts of great antiquity, dating back up to the 4th century BC or earlier....
...(Read More, Its Very Interesting)...
Maps of the Ancient Sea Kings
If you are in UK use this link
Maps of the Ancient Sea Kings
The Piri Reis Map of 1513
Gregory C. McIntosh
& Norman J. W. Thrower
If you are in UK use this link
End of Addition
This is a response to a blog on Whole Foods website. I wanted to make some of the views known that are not too often discussed by the GreenPeacers found in front of my work, nor, not too well-known by many who work and push this “green” answer to supposed “problems.” Some things I didn’t mention was the “global warming” happening on other planets, where Exxon and others do not have access to yet. Not to mention the many points in an excellent documentary answering the pseudo-science in Al Gore’s movie. Enjoy:
I think some of this issue is overblown for political reasons... and then in response to the “Soros involved” activism and his money finding its way to both Marxist organizations as well as environmental organizations who seem to have similar ideas to ANSWER and MoveOn, the more conservative side (mine -- letting my biases be known) reacts in full, which can be a turn off as well to some. I will touch on just a few ideas here that I talk about in my best friends classroom once a semester so some deprogramming can happen to these kids that are inundated with myths in the media as well as in their school. I will take a portion of my son’s sixth-grade Toast Masters speech to kick off the issues below:
This is just one issue I raise in the classroom of high school kids. Some other historical points I touch on are that of wine production. The Roman’s produced wine on the Salisbury Plains in Britain in the 8th century, today it is entirely too cold for such a production of wine, right now at least. Another issue I raise is that of the Vikings. They had enough crop production to sustain long “naval expeditions” over the watery horizon, tree’s to build their armada of ships, homes, and the like. Today, the ground is permafrost for the most part. It was called
I want to caveat here that that quote is from the following man who is one of the many thousands of specialists who say global warning is not anthropogenic (man-caused):
Just in case no one knows who Bryson (quoted above) is, here is a short bio:
Another example I give the kids is in regards to the northern face of the Mammoth Mountains where there was a volcanic eruption about 1350 A.D. that, in similar fashion to the Mt. St. Helen explosion, stripped the trees off the mountain side but leaving the roots and the lowest portion of the trunk allowing specialists of various fields to study these older trees. The tree line then was much higher than the current tree line. There are even other species of trees growing then that do not grow there today. In order for the tree line to be at its height above sea-level and the types of trees that grew there, the area would have to be 3.8 degrees Celsius warmer then that it is now. This is of course taking into account the uniformitarian understanding of events in the past (in other words, the current scientific paradigm in the study of geology).
Another challenge to the scare tactics used by those who would purport to want to help the environment (like the GreenPeace “kids” that straddle the doors of Whole Foods) is that of volcanic eruptions that cause more “greenhouse gasses” than the entire history of mankind. Krakatoa for instance. Another historical blow comes from ship travels through areas now covered by ice.
(The top graphic is from 1979, the bottom, 2003)
Many of these trips, notably the trip in 1906, went through an area now covered in an ice shelf. The same ones people are scarred about melting. History is a bitch to those with political dogma as their guide.
After noting some historical cases I get into some of the issues raised by environmentalist that purport to be reasonable responses using fossil fuels (which I do not believe to be fossil fuels but that oil is always produced [a-biotic] by the inner workings of the earth and then pushed to the crust by the pressures of said inner workings). For instance all the animal life these wind farms end:
The reason many birds die here is because many rodents set up homes at the base of these “death machines” and birds are then attracted to the area. Another reason is the placing of these wind mills in natural “wind corridors” that are also migratory paths for birds. Another myth is that of solar power, for instance some big concerns regarding the moderately high energy costs to build solar panels, and considerable toxic waste exposure issues in making and disposing of solar panels loom on the horizon of “planet health.” Not to mention the European Union's estimate that the future replacement of these panels as they are warn by the sun’s natural breaking down of materials and the subsequent end in a landfill caused them to say that “these [environmental hazards] are greater concerns than nuclear waste or nuclear accidents” (link). OUCH!
And as already discussed here (with links) and a comment by a reader, there seems to be a misunderstanding of the issue at hand. It isn’t about what some stats from a few years back are about animals being fed grains. It is about what the future holds for the amount of grains needed to both feed said animals as well as being produced for fuel. This is the main culprit in the riots a few months back in regards to poor Mexicans not being able to buy corn tortillas. Here is the issue as I see it:
This and the other issues I raised here and with students in my friends class to counter Al Gore’s film and the morning announcements the public schools program these kids with is the issue that few hear from the political cult that stands in front of our store.
Much Thought and Reason,